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This is interesting. My group migrated settle just north of Ripley County, Indiana in Decatur County, Indiana. Philip Harrell b 1787 who I am seeking evidence of parentage and his brothers. At the moment I have several possibilities but unable to put the pieces together. Absolom Harrell was on my radar but have failed to make any connection. In my past research I have no evidence Absolom was related to Phillip Harrell only by location. In a family history book of the Harrell’s it was stated that Absolom Harrell was b. 10 Nov. 1800 and d. 23 Sept 1877. Buried in North Marion Baptist , Ripley Co, In. It also listed the children.
Hi Neil
Jesse Oren Harrell b. Jesse Oren “Kutch” Harrell
1880–1966
Birth 6 DEC 1880 • Decatur, Indiana, USA
Death 15 DEC 1966 • Plymouth, Marshall, Indiana, USA
Are your related to him? Hope so. Looking for other Harrell’s from that area. If so I have pictures of the family and a few stories that my Dad told about him. I believe my father was the last grandchild to stay with Lucetta Maxson Harrell. By the time my father was born Phillip Edward Harrell. b. 1843 had died. By the way I was at Nara to photo copy the Civil War records of Phillip E Harrell before they all go on line to look through. He mustered out of Indy and had the bad case of measles that he was still ill with at the time. Later he was kicked by a mule in the war which caused a life time of illness and misfortune for the family. Please contact me if you would.A notation I found about a Gabriel Harrell’s death in 9 Sept 1840 in Decatur Co. Indiana. It also names his sons Jacob, ]ohn, and James bought the property. Final settlements 16 Aug 1843. Distribution named Rachel 1/3 wife; Jacob, John, and James 2/3.
Salt Lake in the FHL Decatur Co. Indiana; Probate Record Book C Court Records Decatur Co. Indiana 1822-1848 p.142 ,p. 194, p.350.I compared the notes from the Quaker meeting of White Water monthly meeting of Wayne county Friends p.150 ;it was noted that in a Gabriel Harrell son of Amy Harrell; married Sally Powell .
In addition, I found a guardianship for the children of Jesse Raymond Harrell 1855 . Nathan Crume was named guardian of Jesse’s children Phillip E ., Sarah Catharine, Almira B., James William, and Winnie Anna Bell. These facts were also found in FHL Salt Lake
Thank you
Hi Hazel, (I have a distance cousin named Hazel but nicknamed Merty)
You have a question related to my Grandpa Merton Harrell’s father. Is that correct? If so that is the difficulty. Clara Harrell Alderfer Rosebaum married Alderfer after Grandpa (Merton) was born. I never found the divorce papers but I did find Clara’s marriage to him. I even made a trip over to Marshal Co. Historic Society in Indiana to see if they might have a record of any Harrell or the divorce papers. The librarian couldn’t find anything, but stated that her mother knew the Harrell family. The librarian mentioned that they had nicknames…Kutch (Jesse) Harrell, but no divorce papers for Clara Harrell and Lonny Alderfer (I have a picture of his family). On the birth certificate I sent away for, and also a birth certificate copy my Aunt Jo had, all indicate that Lonny Alderfer wasn’t the father. I will note that he and his parents were living in Philip E. and Lucetta Harrell’s house in census. Grandpa Merton’s father was a secret until Grandma Ruth died. A copy of birth certificate stating Grandpa Merton’s real father as Bulber Dunnell and an affidavit that Grandma Clara Harrell Alderfer Rosebaum signed on April 29, 1942 stating Bulber Dunnell as the father. I have since found Donnell, ODonnell, and Donnely as possible spellings. A sidebar to this is: On Grandpa Merton’s birth certificate his name was: Dowan Dunnell born in Starke Co., San Pierre, Indiana. My Mom told me Grandpa Merton was born at “Poor Hand Maidens for Jesus Christ”. With all of this information no one seems to know who Donnell or Dunnell might be. Hazel do you? Have a good day! What is your interest in my Grandparents?
This is exciting! You must understand that I am by no means closed to any thoughts of conviction of my family lineage. I am thrilled to see all the information that you have developed and shared. With this in mind I will try and answer some of your questions that you have posed. Bare in mind that my family history of the Harrell’s up to and including all those prior to 1840’s is a maze of pieces that were put together by others that I am spring boarding my research to pursue credible sources. Hence my suggestion of Philip Harrell b. 1787 Bardstown, KY and his affiliation/relation to Crume family and the name “Philip” (possible parents James Herral b. ??? — according to Crume documentation).
Q. When you say “I think there is a possibility that the above couple might be the father of Phillip Harrell b. 1787” – I think you mean the “couple” enumerated in the 1810/1820 Nelson census – is this correct?
Yes.
You have expressed many thoughts, but as usual: puzzle pieces provide only questions to lead to “the answer”.
As for Gabriel Harrell have you looked into “U.S., Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, Vol I-VI, 1607-1943” In the Indiana Wayne Chester Monthly Meeting I found mention of Gabriel Harrell. In addition, b. 8-12-1776 son of Thomas b. ??? and Amey Harrell (b.1751; d.1821 11-19; bur. Woodbury).
As for my father’s DNA, it is being done on FamilyTree DNA with 37 markers. It was submitted in April with several dates of completion that have been postponed. Presently the projected date is sometime in July. I certainly hope there are no more delays since my father is in his late 80s and not in good health.
Since I am not familiar with the science of DNA, I will mention that his DNA may not be what you are in need of. My Grandfather and Grandmother Harrell are first cousins. Grandfather Merton Harrell’s mother was a Harrell, but father unknown. He was left with his Grandfather Philip Edward Harrell (b. 1843) living in Argos, Indiana. My Grandmother Ruth Harrell’s mother was a Harrell too. I pursued the DNA to determine my late Grandfather Merton Harrell’s father. Although it was on the birth certificate, his first name must be a nickname.
Since I have retired, I was able to go to the National Archives in DC, but didn’t find anything of value. My next trip out, I will look closer to Va. counties specifically Frederick, and or Augusta. As I find other items of interest in my research, I volley a discussion with you. You provide a wealth of information!
Yes, I do have a hypothesis. A distant cousin started on our family side almost 20 years ago with his Grandmother, my Great Aunt. He was convinced that James Harrell b. 1747 Nansemond Co. Va and d. 1831 in Nelson Co. KY. I too believe that evaluation. Difficulty is with sources and documentation. One journal published by the Crume family confirms association with the Harrell family. The following excerpts might explain:
The Crume Family: Three Generations, January 1995, By Rick Crume, 131 130th St S Glyndon, MN 56547-9551 http://www.onelibrary.com
Elizabeth Crume, 19 April 1762,87 probably in Frederick County, Virginia; died after 16 April 1801 when her father wrote his will,88 and perhaps before 1810 in Nelson County, Kentucky. She was married 25 March 1783 in Shenandoah County, Virginia, to James Herrell who may have been the James Harrell/Herrold who appears in Nelson County, Kentucky a couple of years later. Various spellings of the name James Harrell appear in the Nelson County tax lists for the years 1785 to 1789.89 A James Herrold living northeast of Bardstown was listed in the 1789 Nelson County, Kentucky, militia list.90 A James Herrold shows up in the Nelson County tax list of 16 November 179291 and a James Harrell appears on the 1800 list92 dated 30 August, the same date recorded for other members of the Crume family who migrated from Virginia to Kentucky in about 1794 to 1795. And a James Harrell was enumerated in the 1810 and 1820 censuses of Nelson County. The 1810 census shows one male over age 45, five males ages 16 to 26 and two females ages 10 to 16, but no female over age 16. Apparently his wife had died before this census. In 1831 a James Herral of Nelson County deeded Negro children named Jason and Hanny to his daughter Lear Gibbs of Davis County, Kentucky. He also deeded three Negroes, Mary, Margaret and Elizabeth, to his granddaughters, Nancy and Margaret Herral, heirs of James Herral, Jr., deceased, of Shelby County, Kentucky.93
86Nelson Co., KY, Will Book E:198-200. 87Family Bible record of Philip Crume. 88Nelson Co., KY, Will Book A-1:470. 89Margaret Johnson Schroeder, Residents of Nelson County, Virginia (Now Kentucky) Recorded in Tithable and Tax Lists (Bardstown, KY: Schroeder, c. 1988) vol. 1 (1785-1791). 90Research by Lucy B. (Allen) Geoghegan, Bardstown, KY. 91Charles Brunk Heinemann, First Census of Kentucky, 1790 (1940; reprint, Baltimore: Genealogical Publ. Co., 1981). This is not the 1790 census, but a compilation of tax lists. 92Garrett Glenn Clift, Second Census of Kentucky: a Privately Compiled and Published Enumeration of Tax Payers Appearing in the 79 Manuscript Volumes Extant of Tax Lists of the 42 Counties of Kentucky in Existance in 1800 (Frankfort, KY: KY Hist. Soc., 1954). 93Nelson Co., KY, Deed Book 18:390. 94Family Bible record of Philip Crume. 95Nelson Co., KY, Administrators Bond, p. 59.
With this information and knowing that the Philip Crume was the father of Elizabeth, I think there is a possibility that the above couple might be the father of Philip Harrell b. 1787 Nelson Co. KY. He later married Catherine Redding and settled on property that he bought from Daniel Crume in 1828 who happened to be Elizabeth Crume Harrell’s brother. In addition, a valid explanation of the unusual occurrence of the family name “Philip” that has riddled my side of the Harrell family.
The following is also from Crume Family: Three Generations:
“In 1821 Daniel bought land in Clinton Township, Decatur County, Indiana, and in the next year’s county elections he was a candidate for associate judge.76 He and his wife Hannah sold the land in Decatur County on 20 March 1827 to Phillip Harrell.77 She signed the deed. It’s the last record we have of the couple and we don’t know where they moved or when they died.”
As for the relationship between “James Harrell b. 1747 and Chester Harrell son of William Harrell b. 1728 and married Susannah Chester “James and William Harrell are brothers and sons of Richard Harrell Jr. b. 1675. Our distant cousin had made this evaluation. In my DNA summary, Philip D.2 Crume (Daniel1). On 23 December 1749 is present.
Finally, the Philip Harrell b. 1787 had a son named Jesse Ray Harrell b. 1813 in KY (presumed Nelson Co.) married Mary Ward b. 1816, whose son Philip Edward Harrell b. 1883 is my Great Grandfather.
Philip Marion Harrell, son of Philip Harrell b. 1787 was in the Civil War.
At the moment my father who is a Harrell is having his DNA done. Should prove interesting. Do tell me more or what I might do to help. It is very puzzling to get the sources for confirmation.
The Philip Harrell b.1787 Nelson Co. Ky who married Catherine Reading (Redding) in Butler Co. in 1812 is the family that I am related. It has been a mystery determining who Philip Harrell b. 1787 father might been. Earlier family genealogist found his will, but no sources confirming Philip’s father . One hypothesis was/is that Jame Harrell Sr. b.1747 Nasemond Co., Va and died 1817 Nelson Co. hence my interest Harrell’s of Decatur Co. My family lived in the Walnut Creek twp, Argo, Indiana area. In addition the mention of the family “Crume” caught my eye. This family name sold land to Philip Harrell 1787 . If you have not seen the Crume-Family :Three Generations by Rick Crume 1995 it is interesting reading. It mentions James Harrell’s marriage to Elizabeth Crume 1783 and other valuable information.
Also does the M. in James M. Harrell stand for Marion?